Roger:
I am disappointed in your response to Paul Drocton's articles. I would agree the subject matter is extremely offensive in it's content. The question is does this sort of thing go on anywhere? So why couldn't it go on within our own flock?
There are 4 members that I am aware of in the east valley of Mesa, AZ. that have similar experiences, to deny that these things don't go on would seem to be quite naive. While it is extremely uncomfortable for most people to talk about there could be an healing side to the whole discussion on the subject.
I would respectfully request that you not exclude Paul from the preparedness conference or other meetings for bringing this to light. (I am not sure he would accept a re-invite to the meeting at this point) I would make a stipulation that the subject be handled in a most charitable and non accusatory manner.
Just one person's opinion.
Sincerely
Ralph Larsen
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Rachel Stated:
Also, regarding false memory syndrome, many claim that these memories are planted by counselors/psychologists/psychiatrists. All of the psychologists and LCSW’s that I ever saw were all in the church’s social services program. I highly doubt that they would ever plant false memories about SRA being used on me by church leaders.
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Don M. on Facebook:
"I'm a fan of both Roger and you, Paul. Sorry to see Roger react so unceremoniously over this matter. I can't say I blame his sense of outrage -- yet, he could have been far more professional in his communique. I first heard about Satanism infiltrating lower levels and positions in the LDS church back in the 90's. My mother was a clinical psychologist in SLC, and at least one of her patients was a severe victim of SRA as a child -- and her father was the local bishop. Now that she was in her 30's, her blocked memories began to flood back, hence she sought professional counselling. She indicated that several locally-prominent Utahns were present during the Satanic rituals she was exposed to as a child, including the local sheriff. She talked about how she was baptized twice -- once by her father in the chapel's baptismal font -- then was woken at 2am and forced down into a basement with a make-shift font, and forcibly baptized to the devil.
Even my mother, as a licensed psychologist, had a difficult time believing this client's stories at first. Eventually, with what she experienced with this patient, she was convinced that these were legitimate recollections. My mother was so overwhelmed by everything her patient was unloading on her, she ended up discussing much of it with me (without betraying the patient's identity, of course) -- and she rarely discussed clients' stories with me. At the time, I pretty much dismissed it all as impossible. How could something that egregious be hidden?? How could any upper-position Church leaders be duped into calling wolves/serpents in sheep clothing -- or, at minimum, how could they NOT be tipped-off by the Spirit as to this great evil, and crush it out of the Church's midst??
I could not comprehend for a minute that such evil could not only exist undetected anywhere in Utah, let alone could infiltrate any position within the Church. Still, the information stayed with me. Then about five years ago, I began researching SRA victims' stories, such as Sue Ford and Cathy O'Brien -- and everything they were saying was way too eerily identical to what my mother related from this patient. With great lament, I'm pretty much convinced that it's all true. Does this shake my faith in the Restored Gospel? No! Does it shake my faith in the inspiration and divine calling of the General Authorities of the Church? No! Does it reinforce for me the earlier, harsh warnings by the General Authorities that there are many wolves in sheep's clothing within the Church, and that the Church is overdue for a cleansing? Absolutely. Therefore, Paul, I support your sharing of things such as this -- the painful, awful, awakening truth that most LDS just can't countenance -- and giving a voice to legitimate victims of SRA and letting their crucial stories be told -- whether or not most LDS are prepared to receive them."
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"I don't care what you say about Roger K Young. If you are not part of the solution you are the problem. Truth is ugly, but it is still the truth. I won't give the man a penny and I won't be going to any more seminars."
Anon.
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"Paul, I read your stories on Rense and find them highly credible. I studied
the MK ultra matter in depth and I know what you have discovered fits the
usual patterns, not only in various churches but also in cults and certain
families.
Thanks for exposing these dark matters that the public can only stop if they
are aware that this goes on inside several different church systems, not just
the Mormon church. But it is obvious that you are doing your job as an
investigative journalist to tell the truth and let the chips fall where they may.
No church wants it's dirty laundry exposed and in MN we have the world's
biggest collections of pedophile priests living under one roof which have
not been made accountable for their crimes against children (st johns abbey--
see behind the pine curtain website by national hero and protector of
children, Pat Marker).
It is obvious you are doing your best to protect the public from these continuing
abuses by exposing them. Already your work may have prevented numerous
children from future abuse. And that is true public service and what journalism
should be all about.
I know you are extremely busy so no need to answer."
(anon.)
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I have an old college roommate who became a social worker (masters degree). For more than 20 years now she has been working in Utah for LDS Social Services. Early on in her work there she told us that most of her clients that she sees have had sexual abuse. Don't know if that would hold true today but some 15 years ago more or less that was what she was seeing in her Utah Mormon case load.
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PS as for your guest today discussing how she was so lucky to get out of any state responsibility for her bad behavior ie no prosecution for DWI or skinny dipping etc....might not be that unique. Law enforcement is not that reliable and prosecutors are pretty lazy. If they think that the case doesn't have much return for their effort they won't prosecute the case. Or if the officer meets with the prosecutor and isn't real solid in his recording of the complaint or his presentation -- prosecutors aren't typically not willing to take them to court. Could be just lazy cops and/or lazy prosecutors....
Used to do DWI school where you give your sob story about how drunks have caused pain your life / family. Courts in that state could order DWI offenders to attend one such meeting in hopes of changing their ways by learning of the outcome of their boozing. After I gave my sob story and a few others, we made ourselves available to meet with the DWI offenders. One fellow came up to our table and sort of whispered his amazing story that he was on his 14th DWI and the judge knew it. NO way was this guy well placed in society. In the state where this took place, a 4th DWI offense was a mandatory 1 year jail sentence. This old man was letting us know he had gotten a sweetheart deal -- not boasting but kind of shocked by it all.
I do have a question for you though: years ago someone told me that if one is a Mason and in trouble that if you give "the sign" (whatever that is) to a fellow Mason that he must if at all possible come to your aide. I wondered about that and searched for such confirmation over the years but have not found anything one way or the other. But some years ago, I was watching a DWI bench trial. The defendant was out of our area so technically not as likely to know the judge personally but ya' never know. The defendant's attorney was kind of obnoxious -- but also rather typical of those types. The prosecutor was a stable, reliable, honorable fellow -- the type of attorney one expects members of the bar to be but few are. Defense puts on their case to the judge. (pretty much what was in the cop's criminal complaint based on a DWI stop center ...probable cause was met, defendant was drunk as a skunk). It was then the prosecutor's turn to present his case. Defense attorney makes a wide arm jest and turning to the prosecutor says, "and take it away". Prosecutor and I were both stunned by such a gesture in court -- hardly becoming of the dignity of the court room. Judge says nothing about the gesture. Prosecutor puts on his case -- basically the same facts as the defense attorney using the cop's criminal complaint. Just an open and shut case that the cop had nailed him dead to right for DWI with all procedures followed. Judge leaves the bench and 20 minutes later returns with the verdict. He finds for the defendant based on facts that the judge made up. Neither the defense attorney nor the prosecutor nor any where in the cop's complaint were such 'facts' ever stated. The judge said that a DWI stop on a hot summer afternoon that anyone would wobble on the pavement if they were barefoot doing the 'walk the line DWI sobriety test'. It was late evening and the man had on sandals. All I could think of was that gesture was not meant as an obnoxious attorney but as signal to the judge....maybe they were both Masons. Have you heard of such things before?
(anon)
